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Council Session — 2026-09-30

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Wed, Sep 30, 2026 · meeting length 40 min · council salary-time ≈ $506

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0 Keelan. This is councilor. I'm online.
1 Thanks. Councilor. Smith. Paul. Chambers. No.
2 Thank you.
3 I'm also online. Councilor. Morillo. Thanks. Councilor. Aye, Morillo. We hear you. Councilor Smith and Morillo. Loud and clear. I'll let these chambers.
4 Good morning everyone. Hello. Good morning. This is the meeting of the Portland city council. It's called to order at 932 keelan. Will you please call the roll?
5 Good morning. Koyama Lane. Here.

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6 Aye, Morillo here.
7 Novick here. Green. Here. Zimmerman. Avalos. Here. Dunphy. Smith.
8 Here.
9 Kanal here. Pirtle-guiney. Here. Ryan.
10 Clark. Here. Thank you. Keelan and mike, our attorney. Will you please read the rules of decorum?
11 Yes. Thank you. Welcome to the Portland city council. To testify before council in person or virtually. You must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.Portland.gov/agenda. Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's web page. Individuals may testify for three minutes unless presiding officer states. Otherwise, your microphone will be muted. When your time is over, the presiding officer preserves order disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to include your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others testimony or councilor will not be allowed. If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given. Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting. Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass. Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually. Your testimony should address the matter being considered when testifying, state your name for the record. Your address is not necessary. If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent. Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name. Thank you.
12 Thank you mike. The first item today, colleagues, is approval of the September 30th agenda. May I have unanimous consent to approve the agenda? Seeing no objections, the agenda is approved. Keelan, can you please start us off with public communication?
13 Yes. Thank you. First up, we have robin gelfand.
14 Good morning robin.
15 Good morning. My name is robin gelfand. Two weeks ago, my 11 year old daughter was hit by a vehicle while biking to school. Shortly after, she entered a crosswalk with the walk sign, a driver pulled forward to turn right on red. This took place at southeast 47th and stark street. Half a mile from two schools glencoe elementary and mount tabor middle school. I'm here today to advocate for increased safety measures at intersections near schools and in particular, southeast 47th and stark. Pbot has identified stark as a top ten high crash network street and 47th, and stark is particularly dangerous for two reasons. It's an offset intersection, which creates confusion for drivers about who has the right of way, causing them to focus on navigating around other vehicles instead of looking out for pedestrians and cyclists. Additionally, drivers heading south on 47th can't see pedestrians approaching the crosswalk due to a stone wall that stands six feet tall at the corner. We've seen countless close calls there, and another child who lives on our block has also been hit by a vehicle in the same intersection. Because of these risk factors and the proximity to two schools, I'm asking the council to support implementation of three safety measures at 47th and stark, a no turn on red restriction, high visibility crosswalk markings and a leading pedestrian interval. Pbot traffic data shows that no turn on red signage can reduce crashes at intersections by 9%. In the case of my daughter's collision, a no turn on red restriction would have made a material difference. Last month, the council passed the no turn on red ordinance, and we are requesting that 47th and stark be added to the list of intersections receiving no turn on red signage. Secondly, we're requesting a high visibility crosswalk marking to replace the current faded transverse lines. And finally, we're requesting a leading pedestrian interval to give pedestrians a head start before drivers get a Green light. Studies show that lpis can reduce pedestrian vehicle collisions by as much as 60%. As noted in the vision zero action plan, redundancy is crucial. If one layer of the system fails, another layer must be in place to prevent serious injury. Adding no turn on red signage, high visibility crosswalk markings and a leading pedestrian interval to 47th and stark are common sense moves that would create necessary safety layers for our kids and neighbors. Thankfully, my daughter only suffered a broken ankle from the collision, but it could have been much worse. We should not have to wait for a fatality for these common sense changes to be made. Thank you.
16 Thank you robin. I think on behalf of all of us, we really regret that this happened to your daughter. And rest assured, we'll bring this back up in the public works committee. Thank you for being here today.
17 Vice president, is it possible for me to. Absolutely. A couple things. I just really wanted to appreciate you for coming out and sharing your story. I know that we also have gotten to sit down and thank you for sharing this and for your advocacy. I also appreciate dc williams and our new PBOT interim director, who have responded quickly to some questions that I've asked and have shared. What PBOT safety improvements and projects they have that are planned for that area, which include a few different things like speed cushions and looking into larger reflectorized traffic signal heads, and also some some near-term improvements that PBOT has considered or would recommend. And so my office is going to continue this conversation and we'll be in contact with you. And thank you so much. And I'm really sorry that this happened to your child, and I'm glad that she's okay. And I heard that many kids at mount tabor middle school are baking her goodies. I hope those keep on coming her way.
18 Thank you. Councilor Koyama Lane. And thank you again, robin, for being here today. Keelan.
19 Next up we have morgan oyster sands.
20 Good morning. Nice to see you all. My name is morgan oyster sands. I am an advocate for outdoor accessibility. I love Portland, I'm chose very carefully to move here 12 years ago, in part because I could go from a two car household to one relying on public transportation, city infrastructure and biking. In the last month, I've witnessed or been in many biking near-misses, and two people I know were hit by cars while biking. One of them, an 11 year old little girl. I was invited to speak from my friend robin and I just want to echo everything she said and agree with everything. I hope you act on those things. I've loved the recent vision zero initiatives, and our work is not nearly finished. To better mitigate risk, we need to collect stats on near misses as well as accidents. With a self-reporting mechanism, our city can invest more into safe streets, including protected bike lanes and expanding the no turn on red restrictions. I have read the vision zero action plan, and it appears that transportation, safety, education, materials and programing are only for school age children who are walking and biking. We need to educate adult drivers. To my councilors from district two, I was there at the city club panel where you said you would put pedestrian safety as a priority. I implore city council to direct vision zero to create an annual adult driver awareness campaign. The time is now. This is a boy at a boiling point. For bikers, an educational campaign is low cost and can be mobilized quickly. We can't have bike summer. We can't have city bike bus. If bikers are being harassed, hit or killed. Portlanders deserve safe streets. Please prioritize pedestrian and bike safety now. Thank you.
21 Thank you morgan. Thanks for coming today.
22 Next up we have an casper. An. Next we have arthur baldwin.
23 Welcome.
24 Hello, council. Hello, neighbors. My name is arthur leroy baldwin, the fourth. I worked for broward county, florida, and the miccosukee tribe of indians as a water and wastewater treatment plant operator at the very water plant adjacent to a modern holocaust at alligator, alcatraz. This is where I studied chlorine reactions. I took my operator training courses, I passed my state exam, and I worked the job for many years. When my political beliefs were discovered by my state, I was banished, harassed by border patrol, and made a refugee. I kept working with pumps and tanks in the private industry to stay sharp. I studied fermentation and cleaning chemicals to stay interested. I moved here to work at your utility. A last chance to practice my trade of passion and choice in my home country. Well, what is it that holds me back now? It is that I speak too freely to my constituents. That I enjoyed a smoke, a joint after work. And because of this, I must cede my work to a more inept candidate. How infuriating, how discouraging. You should reevaluate your hiring process for your water utility. Smoking a joint after work should not make someone disqualified for working on the water supply. I see it as a systemic disenfranchisement and a crime by the whole of government, a policy you can choose to ignore. Just as access to clean drinking water was ignored for the detainees, I yield my time.
25 Thank you.
26 Next up, we have michelle dewberry joining online.
27 Good morning, counselors, and thank you for your time. My name is michelle dewberry and I'm the board chair of the Portland chapter of families for safe streets. And I am the mom of seamus dewberry, a one year old boy who was killed by a careless driver in a Portland crosswalk. I want to share a bit of information and context about a bill that families for safe streets is working on, along with Oregon walks that is called the stop super speeders bill. We are working on this for the 2027 state legislative session, and I know that councilor Koyama Lane has asked that this bill be included in the council's legislative priorities for 2027. Oregon roads are among the most dangerous in the nation, consistently ranking higher than the national average in fatalities per vehicle miles traveled. In the last ten years, there has been a 20% increase in annual traffic deaths in Oregon, and the number of serious injuries has more than doubled. More than one third of these catastrophic crashes involve speeding. The stop super speeders bill provides a tool to address this problem by requiring the worst speeding offenders to install intelligent speed assist or isa technology onto their vehicles. Isa prevents acceleration beyond the posted speed limit, and there are several states, including our neighbors to the north in Washington who have passed super speeders legislation and several more who are considering it in the coming year. This bill targets only the most egregious offenders. So folks who are going 100 miles or more over the speed limit, or 40 or more in a school zone, repeat speeding offenders, drivers who cause a crash or a serious injury where speed was a factor or street racing. And we know that the current approach of issuing fines and license suspension does not work, because 75% of drivers with a suspended license will drive anyway, largely because in most places there is not a safe, affordable or reliable alternative to driving. In terms of logistics, this is modeled after ignition interlock devices, which are installed on vehicles to prevent folks who have been convicted of dui from driving under the influence. It's very similar. It would allow people who are convicted of speeding related offenses to continue to participate in society. They can go to work, they can take their kids to school. And we recognize that is really important. I listened to the discussion yesterday, and I want to address concerns around data privacy brought by councilor Kanal. So I just want to assure you all that our bill has been vetted by data privacy experts, and the legislation includes limitations on the scope and the use of data collection. So the data is encrypted. It's anonymized, the data cannot be sold or shared, and it must be destroyed after the person leaves the program. So this morning, I sent you an email with our one pager, a policy white paper, and a link to a presentation we made at the senate judiciary committee a few weeks ago, and I hope that addresses your concerns. But if you have questions, please feel free to reach out. Thank you.
28 Thank you, michelle, thanks for being with us today. We appreciate you.
29 Our alternate today is ivana. That completes public communications.
30 Thank you. Keelan. I will now receive an update from ca li on the city's response to federal intervention in Portland.
31 Thank you, council vice president. No new updates on the ice facility litigation. Just a reminder that the hearing is still set for November the 20th. To consider the appeals filed by the building owner. And that's it.
32 Thank you. Thank you for that update. Okay. Keelan, can you please call item number four? Sorry. Oh, you want to ask a question? Sorry. Go for it.
33 Madam vice president cully, thanks for the update. Are there any updates on anything other than the ice facility with relation to federal response?
34 No, not at this time. What we'll be doing. We have some updates that will be given to council as it relates to our program as a sanctuary city. We'll be briefing council on that progress. And I think six by sixes are individuals, but we're scheduling those out now to give an update on our process for city staff. Knowing the process, if we do have interaction with ice agents on our actual property, what is that protocol?
35 That's great. And I know a little later, down towards the end of the calendar year, we'll be inviting in our immigrant affairs lead to brief at the committee of the whole, and we'll announce that as soon as the date's settled. But in terms of the ice activity or federal, I guess, government activity, there's been beyond just the facility. There's been an increase in. And so I would love to see if there's anything, maybe for next time that we can hear about that and what we're doing, if anything, to respond to the surge, the silent surge,
36 100%, we are seeing a big increase in the amount of detentions that are happening, increase from the previous year, ice approach to how they're handling these detentions and apprehending people is different, more discreet than what it was in the prior year. So we are and will be having conversations with council as it relates to the actual data that we're seeing, and also our work with perc to try to provide resources to help in those endeavors. We are seeing the mass hearings, and we are knowing that if people are not showing up for those mass hearings, that they're automatically going on to deportation. The legal information that we've been receiving from perc and an advice to give to individuals is to call the number to check on your immigration hearing twice a day, because those things are changing very rapidly as it relates to just getting updates in the schedule, being moved up for people's actual immigration hearing.
37 Okay, thanks. And down the line, I'd also love to hear an update on any verification work that's been done.
38 Most definitely.
39 Thank you. Councilor Kanal. I know there have been surges. Definitely. We've read about those in southern Oregon and now at the Portland airport, lots of activity. So I appreciate your asking those questions. Thank you. Kay lee keelan now, can we please read item four.
40 Item four, document 2026-186. Add psychedelic health and safety code. Add code. Chapter 14.140.
41 So colleagues, this is a second reading of an ordinance. I don't know if anybody wants to make any further comments on it. We had an excellent hearing, great testimony, as I recall. Councilor pirtle-guiney, do you want to make a statement?
42 You know, we had a lot of good discussion about this. I don't think we need to get back into the debate, but I just want to thank the advocates who brought forward their concerns and the the idea behind moving this forward. Our colleagues on the committee, who put a lot of time and work into making sure we got the language to a place that could gain broad support. And also commander shannon with the Portland police bureau, who worked alongside us to make sure that this did, in fact, align with their current practices and was something that that would work seamlessly with how we do things in our city.
43 Terrific. Thank you for all the work that you put into that and the co-sponsors. So without any other oh, sorry. Councilor. Koyama Lane.
44 I just wanted to quickly say, listening to the public testimony and my colleagues speak during the first reading was really moving. And I want to thank again everyone who shared their stories. You really made an impact on us. On myself. I'm glad that we can move quickly on this. Hopefully as a unified council, it looks like that's how this is going. And yeah, I see many of our collective values really aligned in this in this ordinance. So. Yeah, you know, our, our concern for mental health, especially those who have experienced trauma, our respect for cultural diversity, spiritual diversity, our support for groundbreaking local wellness community, our concerns for how we focus on public safety resources, all of those are so important. I'm really proud that we can be moving this forward alongside many other jurisdictions throughout the country.
45 Thank you. Councilor. I think we all ditto that very much. Great. Keelan can you please call the roll?
46 Okay. Koyama Lane. I Morillo I Novick I Green. I Zimmerman I Avalos I Dunphy absent.
47 Smith.
48 I Kanal. I pirtle-guiney. I Ryan absent clerk. I the ordinance passes with a vote of ten ayes and two absent.
49 Great. Thanks everybody. Excellent work. Keelan can you please read item five.
50 Item five document 2026-334. Authorize bureau of transportation to acquire certain temporary property rights necessary for construction of the southeast division street southeast 148th to southeast 174th project. Through the exercise of the city's eminent domain authority.
51 Thank you. Keelan. I see claire is at the helm here. I would just say that both items five and six, we can talk about those at the same time we were heard. They were heard in the public works committee last week, and we have sent them here with a due pass recommendation. We had a great conversation discussing safety and infrastructure improvements that are brought by these two ordinances. There was significant public engagement during the outreach process, and I'm thankful for my colleagues in PBOT. If you're here for addressing and improving the safety on these two streets. So, claire, do you want to talk about it? I think we may have some technical experts in the room as well.
52 Thank you, vice president Clark. Sorry. Just to clarify, did you open item six as well or just five?
53 Can we open them at the same time?
54 Yeah. Would you like me to read both.
55 Yeah.
56 Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, claire. Item six, document 2026-335. Authorized bureau of transportation to acquire certain temporary property rights necessary for construction of the southeast stark street 111th through 151st avenue. Project through the exercise of the city's eminent domain authority.
57 Thanks, keelan. Claire.
58 Thank you again. Council vice president and councilors. For the record. Claire adamson, council policy analyst and staff to the public works committee. So I will share a quick summary of both of these ordinances. The first ordinance, document number 2026-334, was heard in the public's committee public works committee on September 22nd, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation to pass. This ordinance authorizes PBOT to acquire certain temporary property rights necessary for improvements to southeast division street, between 100 and 40 eighth and 174th avenues through exercise of the city's eminent domain authority. Pursuant to section 9-1 hundred eight of the city charter and Oregon revised statutes, chapter 35 exhibits 1 to 2 of this ordinance describe the slope modification and temporary construction easement needed to facilitate these improvements. I'll quickly share for the other ordinance. Document number 2026-335. Also heard in public works on September 22nd and referred to full council with recommendation to pass. This ordinance authorizes PBOT to acquire certain temporary property rights necessary for intersection improvements at southeast 119th avenue and stark street through exercise of the city's eminent domain authority. Pursuant to section 9-1 hundred eight of the city charter and or s chapter 35 exhibits 1 to 4 of this ordinance describe the temporary construction easement needed to facilitate these improvements, which includes new ADA curb ramps and a pedestrian refuge island to facilitate safe and accessible crossing. Both of these ordinance grant PBOT and the city attorney's office the authority to negotiate and offer just compensation for the required property interests. If negotiations are unsuccessful. The ordinance authorizes the initiation of condemnation proceedings to determine just compensation through the judicial process. The authority does not extend or alter the jurisdiction of the courts beyond what is appropriate or reserved for city council determination. These ordinances further authorize the creation of a sub fund in the amount estimated to be the just compensation for each interest property which, if necessary, shall be deposited with the clerk of the court where an action is commenced. The full impact statement on both of the ordinances includes information on financial and budgetary impacts and community impacts and community involvement, and the committee did not receive verbal or written testimony on either of these items prior to committee action. And that concludes the committee staff summary. Thank you.
59 Thank you. Claire keelan, do we have anybody signed up on either of these items?
60 No one signed up.
61 Okay. All right then. Any council discussion before we move this to a second reading? Any questions? Great. Okay. And we need another we need to do the same for six item six as well. There's no council discussion. We can just move that to a second reading. Correct. All right. Super. Thank you. Don't go far away, claire. Let's see. Keelan, we need to have you please read item seven.
62 Okay. Thank you. Document 2026-212. Amend advertising on bus benches. Code to allow advertising on city streetcar benches and shelters. Amend code. Chapter 17.45.
63 Thank you. This is a long awaited measure. Claire, take it away.
64 Thank you again. Council vice president and councilors claire adams and council policy analyst and staff to the public works committee. This ordinance, document number 2026-212, was heard in the public committee on June 23rd and again on August 11th. What was referred to the full council with a recommendation to pass the ordinance amending city code chapter 17.45, as shown in exhibit a of the ordinance, to allow the city to advertise on benches and transit shelters which are owned, operated and maintained by the city for Portland streetcar. The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts. No verbal or written testimony was submitted on this item prior to committee action. And that concludes the staff summary. Thank you.
65 Thank you. Claire. I would just guess we have no public testimony on this today either.
66 No one. Thank you.
67 Great. Any questions from my colleagues? Great. Well, we will pass this on to a second reading. Thank you. All right. Keelan, will you please read item number eight.
68 Document 2026-3 hundred amend fire regulations fee schedule amend Portland policy document fir-12.01.
69 Thank you. Do we have a committee staff person here to address this? It's kevin. Is he online or. Oh, he's in the back. Sorry I didn't see you back there. Welcome.
70 Good morning. Council vice president and councilors. For the record, my name is kevin alvarez, council policy analyst for the community and public safety committee. The ordinance, before you document number 2026-3 hundred, was heard in the community and public safety committee on September 1st, 2026, where it was moved to full council with a recommendation to be passed. The ordinance amends the fire regulations fee schedule contained in Portland policy document fir-12.01, as shown in exhibit a to align the fees, Portland fire and rescue charges for permits, codes, enforcement inspections, fire reports, and miscellaneous services more closely with the cost of providing those services. The amendments removed the permit fee for retail storage or sale of fireworks in structures or tents. Add a fee for the inspection, testing and maintenance of fire systems, and add a fee for an annual laser display permit on amendments. One amendment was approved by the community and public safety committee on September 1st, 2026. The amendment removed section two, which was the emergency or was the emergency clause impact statements. The full impact statement on this item includes a financial budgetary impact, community impacts and community involvement, and economic and real estate development analysis. There was no verbal or written testimony provided prior to committee action, and that concludes the committee staff summary.
71 Thank you. Kevin councilor Novick do you want to make some remarks?
72 I.
73 I really have nothing to add. I mean, committee was persuaded that fire had made the case that the changes were necessary to come closer to full cost recovery.
74 Okay. Keelan is there any public testimony?
75 No one signed up.
76 Any questions? I councilor Koyama Lane you have your hand up. Is that a legacy? Legacy?
77 No, it's my hand up.
78 Is a hand up. Okay.
79 Thank you, thank you, vice president. I see in the presentation from committee that there are comparisons to fees in other jurisdictions. Others, you know, austin, denver, detroit, san francisco. I'm wondering if someone can explain how are these fees would compare to cities in our region? How do we compare to Vancouver, Washington, Beaverton, lake oswego, milwaukee?
80 I think we have someone here from fire. Hi. Welcome. Please state your name for the record.
81 Hi. My name is angela wright. I'm the budget analyst for fire, and I did the city comparables. One of the big challenges when we're looking at city comparables is that not all fire departments function the same. We are a fire bureau. Valley fire and rescue is a district. So for example, some fire departments have a much shorter fee schedule. So it's either not controlled directly by the fire department or sorry, I catch my breath from the stairs. It is very. Ours is much more extensive than some of the other comparable cities we are looking at. And then when we're looking at cities such as seattle or Vancouver, tualatin valley, Clackamas, it's just very different because for like Clackamas and tualatin valley, they have cities within their jurisdictions that function separately. Whereas we are one city under one fire department. So it was trying to find comparables in that similar city structure, similar fire bureau structure and availability of information.
82 Okay, so just to clarify, there's no other there's nowhere around Portland that is comparable.
83 We could. Yeah, that's the easiest way to explain it.
84 Okay.
85 Direct, not directly.
86 And I'm wondering if someone can share about maybe some of the partnership or working in collaboration with permitting development around this. I know that we're talking often about how the administration can be finding opportunities to streamline planning and permitting that process. So as we're adding their, their fees, as they're been consideration to making sure the impacts to the permitting process aren't overly burdensome. Can I hear about.
87 Yes. Councilor we are looking at how do we pull fire bureau and this would be the last time you kind of have this offshoot of the fire bureau being on this standalone. We'll be rolling this into the process with the rest of the other fees that you have that we currently have now through permitting and development. Similarly, as you see with PBOT, water and sewer, all those things being collectively done together. So this is kind of a relic of our old system of this being kind of this offshoot, standalone. It will be moved in together. We'll also be looking at our process as a whole as it relates to fees. As you know, we'll be going through some fees studying as well to comprehensive look at the costs associated with the fees and permitting of having businesses here in Portland. So when we look at this comprehensively, we'll be coming back to council as part of the budget process, which will kind of do a comprehensive analysis and kind of have a work session even before council is looking at adopting a future budget of looking at the impacts of the fees and permitting that we have moving forward.
88 Thank you for the information.
89 Great. Councilor Kanal.
90 Thank you, madam vice president, I thanks, angela. Thanks everybody involved. And I know there's some folks in the back from fire as well. I think the issue about combining with the, the normal cadence of fee in increases or revisions was something that got a little bit of discussion at the committee on community and public safety. I think councilor Zimmerman raised that as well there. I just wanted to speak to one little piece here. I put up the amendment that removed the emergency clause, which seems to be somewhat convenient given our attendance today. But but it was it was largely because I, I very much support the increases. I just wanted to have the opportunity to separate these for consideration. If anyone wanted to testify on the idea that their fees would be increased, I thought that that was appropriate to give them the 12 days instead of the five of having, you know, to be able to watch and all that, which is different from the other fire item that we did last week, which was heard together at committee, which is about compliance with state law and did have a very significant urgency to it. And therefore the emergency clause remained intact there. So I wanted to give that information, but also say I very much support this, and I think we will need to move a little further next time. We we do this in order to get to full cost recovery. Fire has a few places where we haven't allowed them to do that yet, and the fire budget has suffered as a result of it. So I'm hoping that we can get there within the next year after approving this. Thank you.
91 We do have nine people if you want to change your mind. Councilor pirtle-guiney.
92 Thank you, council vice president. You know, fees often affect behavior and where we have fees or have or don't have fees can incentivize certain behaviors. It looked at my reading of this, like the only new fees or places where we were taking away fees or taking away discounts were on discounts that would incentivize certain safety systems, which I think are predominantly required now and then the new fee for laser shows. But I'm wondering if there were any other new fees that I missed and if there was any discussion in committee about the balance in going to full cost recovery between using fees as a tool to incentivize certain behaviors or actions, and making sure that we have those funds to fully fund our fire department.
93 Councilor Novick. Do you or counselor Zimmerman or other members of the committee want to address that?
94 Three of you here?
95 Yeah. I can I confess, I don't remember if we had a discussion like that. Exactly.
96 Any other committee members want to answer councilor Pirtle-guiney questions? Apparently not. Okay.
97 Councilor. Kanal looks like maybe he has something thinking.
98 He's thinking.
99 Okay. As we move toward cost recovery, I'd like to make sure that we're thinking about whether we are inadvertently changing some, some carrots, that we have some incentives that we have, and make sure that those are intentional, intentional actions. I have no problem with this fee schedule moving forward, but I do hope that we're making sure that as we look at our budget bottom line, we're also looking at the tools that we have to make sure that folks are moving in the direction we're hoping they do in our city.
100 Thank you counselor. I think kelly would agree with you. And when we move ahead, he'll take that into consideration. I'm sure. Any other discussion I don't see any other hands up. So we will pass this to a second reading as well. Unless there's any kind of discussion that people want to entertain. We're sitting here with some extra time if we need to have a conversation about anything. Otherwise we're just going to adjourn until Thursday.
101 That kind of information, counselor, are we adjourning today or are we recessing until tomorrow's meeting?
102 Oh, we're recessing okay. Thank you for the clarification. Keelan. All right. We will recess today at 1009 until tomorrow afternoon.
103 I was in the queue.
104 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
105 Just briefly, I just want to note counselor Dunphy, who? I don't know where you are today. You have an excused absence. But we didn't go quickly just to spite you. This is. You know, we're trying to move fast because of you, so. Thank you.
106 It was a pretty easy agenda. Okay. Thank you, counselor Green. Any other comments? For the good of the order. All right. We are in recess.